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Pfff ce gâchis... en plus Tommy Clufetos est un batteur totalement inintéressant avec Ozzy.


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toutafé. C'est un gros ours, plutôt spectaculaire et qui colle avec le répertoire d'Ozzy en solo, mais je l'avais trouvé beaucoup trop bourrin sur les reprises de Black Sab'


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Si c'est vraiment Sharon qui est à l'origine de ça, c'est réellement à gerber. J'invite au boycott de cette tournée fantoche...

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Humm, j'ai jamais vu Iommi himself et je compte aller au Hellfest, donc j'irai quand même les voir! Effectivement j'irais pas à un bercy de ce Sharon Sabbath

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Ward confirme, il ne jouera pas avec Sabbath

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"Dear SABBATH fans and fellow musicians,

"I sincerely regret to inform you that after a final effort to participate in the upcoming SABBATH shows, a failure to agree has continued. At this time I have to inform you that I won't be playing with BLACK SABBATH at the Birmingham gig dated May 19th, 2012, nor will I be playing at [U.K.'s] Download [festival] on June 10th, 2012. Further, I will not be playing at Lollapalooza [festival] on August 3, 2012.

"It is with a very sad heart that I bring you this news. I am sincerely passionate in my desire to play with the band, and I'm very, very sorry that it's fallen to this. This statement is even more painstaking to write, as I was particularly excited to play alongside Tony Iommi after the recent treatments he underwent. I wanted that to become a reality.

"To express my thoughts about you, the SABBATH fans, I'm going to speak to you all through an experience my brother James had recently. My brother Jimmy lives in the U.K. When speaking with him a couple of days ago, he told me that an acquaintance had stopped him on the street and confronted him, 'Is your brother playing Birmingham? What's going on? I waited in line with my son and paid X amount for the concert tickets.'

"The man's son is a young drummer. He's going to see SABBATH, and he wants to see Bill Ward play drums.

"Upon hearing this news, I felt horrible. I couldn't help feeling some resentment towards the failure to reach an agreement, the failure to remember where we came from, the failure to be as brothers, as we once were.

"To be clear, I'm not blaming the other guys or finding any faults with them. I would think it can't be easy for them either, but this situation is just really sad. It's sad that it's come to this. 'This' will surely leave a mark and be unwelcome to the memory. Hopefully 'this' will heal and pass in time.

"My heart sank when Jimmy told me about this young boy. I know this boy is going to be disappointed, and I don't know how to amend it, other than to put my arms around the boy and tell him I love him.

"SABBATH fans have a voice and a face. To me you're human, you have families and despair. You have ferocity and emotions and graciousness, and at this moment, as far as I'm concerned, you are also that young boy in England. I don't know how to amend my part in these failings other than to put my arms around you and say I love you and let you know I'm very, very sorry.

"Throughout this process, which began over a year ago, I have had to stand up for myself time and time again. I have had to stand up for myself and in doing so realize my actions indirectly, although unintentionally, are upsetting and hurting a lot of you. I know in my heart I couldn't have done these concerts by agreeing the terms suggested. I made a solemn vow after the last European and Ozzfest concerts that I would never again enter into what was, in my opinion, a totally unsatisfactory contract. I have to stand for something, and as painful as it is, I'm doing it.

"Earlier in April 2012, I'd been asked to participate 'minimally' in the Download festival. I believe I'd been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with BLACK SABBATH. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a SABBATH set, while I was to play only three songs.

"I found out about the Birmingham gig on Monday, April 30 through the Internet ad. I was taken aback somewhat by the date, and the fact it was Birmingham. Knowing the 'signable' contract negotiations were at best in shreds, I was upset by the idea that the band was going to play Birmingham and play it assumedly without me. I had no prior knowledge of the date and location, and I felt totally excluded. We contacted the representative for BLACK SABBATH to see if something could be worked out. In the meantime, my drum crew and I, along with our U.S. endorsers, finished all the necessary planning for a swift departure to the U.K. There wasn't a whole lot to complete; we'd all been on standby more or less since mid-January 2012. The remaining work in the U.K. was confirmed done by our European and U.K. endorsers and we were good to go by Friday, May 4 2012. There were two stress points: firstly, getting an agreement in place, and secondly, getting to England in a timely manner. Jetlag time was taken into account as well as drum practice, a drum practice room in the heart of Birmingham, accommodation, and travel arrangements were all in place to meet with any band rehearsals that may have transpired before the Birmingham show. So far everything that had been arranged was on my dime, but we didn't move ahead without a realistic confirmation.

"Communications between the representative and my lawyer continued through the weekend of May 5, finalizing on Wednesday, May 9. The offer we received on May 9 was, 'Come to the U.K., play for free and see how the first show goes.' I was tempted. Playing for free would not have been a problem for me, but 'seeing how the first show goes' left an element of risk which could have affected Download. My ideal thought was to play in full the Birmingham show, in full Download, and in full Lollapalooza.

"I had notified the representative that May 10 was my cutoff day in order to have good lead-in time for England. On the night of May 9, I asked for a brief letter to be sent to the representative asking to find out if we were at an end. On the morning of Thursday, May 10, I received a reply in the affirmative. After consulting with my advisors and crew, a decision was made to let go and stop.

"I can't prioritize the SABBATH fans making one show more important than the other. I can't do that. All of you are important. It's all the gigs or none at all. I can't come to Birmingham and 'see what happens' knowing there is a risk of not being able to play Download or Lollapalooza. Again, for me, it's all or nothing. I had to say 'no' to Birmingham on the principle of wanting to play all the shows.

"Saying no to Birmingham is very difficult for me. My family grew up in Birmingham. BLACK SABBATH grew up in Birmingham. It's still my hometown and I resent having to arrive at such a difficult choice.

"Although the statement was made that 'the door is always open' for me, as explained above, walking through that door is not always as easy as it sounds. There are many complicated issues and unseen and unspoken agendas on hand. I can assure you, my criteria for a 'signable' contract is based in mindful principles, respectability, and acknowledgement of my history within the band.

"I hold no malice or resentment towards the other band members. I love them; I'm tolerant of them; I'm frustrated with them, as they may be with me. My fight has never been with them. I'll love them forever. In my opinion, nobody wins this time; the band doesn't win; the fans for an original lineup don't win. Nobody wins, nobody. Even the ones who thought they did.

"I didn't want to make this decision, but I have to be honest and transparent. This is the statement I didn't want to write; it's the last thing I wanted to do. But, I have written it, and now it can go into the universe.

"Since spring of 2011, I've waited patiently and hopefully for a signable contract, you know the rest. I stand for the boy in the U.K., for the coming drum student, for all the drummers, who write their parts out and get stiffed on the publishing, I stand with the SABBATH fans chanting 'Bill Ward' and asking 'why?' and I stand with Tony and Geezer and Ozzy.

"On a final note, even though I'm at an end with the upcoming announced concerts, I will remain with an open mind and a position of willingness to negotiate 'signable' terms with SABBATH's representatives in the future.

"Stay strong. Stay safe.

"With all my heart and strength, I love you, Bill Ward.

"Following on a separate page is a thank you message to some very extraordinary people."

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Suite à ça, le site officiel de Sabbath a, avec une classe unique, viré Ward de toutes les photos qui apparaissent sur le site

http://www.blacksabbath.com/

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Ils sont soviétiques les mecs de Black Sabbath ?

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Nan mais LOL quoi...


(c'est quoi les raisons du départ de Ward? Les longs messages en anglais j'ai du mal désolé)


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en gros il dit que le groupe ne lui propose pas un contrat qui lui semble raisonnable.

pas mal le photoshopage de bill ward façon 1984

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Hier soir


01. Into The Void
02. Under The Sun
03. Snowblind
04. War Pigs
05. Wheels Of Confusion
06. Electric Funeral
07. Black Sabbath
08. The Wizard
09. Behind The Wall Of Sleep
10. N.I.B.
11. Fairies Wear Boots
12. Tomorrow's Dream
13. Sweet Leaf
14. Symptom Of The Universe (intro only)
15. Drum Solo
16. Iron Man
17. Dirty Women
18. Children Of The Grave

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19. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (intro only)
20. Paranoid

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Bien porté sur leurs premiers albums le SAB'.

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Apparemment, selon le site officiel, ce serait Bill Ward lui-même qui aurait demandé de retirer toutes les photos où il apparait...

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At the request of Bill Ward, through his attorney, so as to not give the public the wrong impression about his involvement in the current Black Sabbath lineup, we have temporarily removed Bill Ward's images from the main pages of the blacksabbath.com official website. In accordance with Bill Ward's attorney's request, we are doing so for the duration of the forthcoming shows.

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Il eut mieux valu retirer toutes les photos sans les couper et préciser que çà venait de Ward, ça aurait été mieux joué que ces coupures dignes du CM1

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C'est un vrai soap cette histoire. Franchement, si c'est vrai que c'est à la requête des avocats de ward que les photos ont été retouchés, je me demande si Ward n'est pas un gros chieur en fait ? Comme le disait un forumeur sur DOTF, s'il demandait par exemple 25%, alors il était totalement déraisonnable.


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Voila la set-list du 1er concert d'Ozzy et ses potes qui sera vraisemblablement la même au Hellfest et au Graspop :

Spoiler: révéler
1. Bark at the Moon
2. Mr. Crowley
3. Suicide Solution
4. The Ultimate Sin (First time played live since 1986)
5. I Don't Know
6. Killer of Giants
7. Shot in the Dark
8. Rat Salad (Black Sabbath song)(Blasko off / Geezer Butler on)
9. Iron Man (Black Sabbath song)
10.War Pigs (Black Sabbath song)
11. N.I.B. (Black Sabbath song)(Gus G off / Zakk Wylde on)
12. Fairies Wear Boots (Black Sabbath song)
13. Into the Void (Black Sabbath song)(Geezer Butler off / Blasko on / Zakk on)
14. Road to Nowhere
15. I Don't Want to Change the World
16. Fire in the Sky
17. Crazy Train

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18. Mama, I'm Coming Home (Geezer on / Gus G on)
19. Paranoid (Black Sabbath song



En gros on nous avait promis une set-list orientée sur le répertoire de Black Sabbath et au final on l'a dans le fiond avec seulement 7 morceaux du Sab et pas vraiment de surprises à ce niveau là. Pour ma part j'ai déjà vu Ozzy l'année dernière, j'ai pas spécialement envie de le revoir cette année. Ah et en plus j'aime pas trop The Ultimate Sin, jsuis gâtée, j'aurais préféré qu'il aille piocher dans Diary of a Madman le père Ozzy, toujours honteusement écarté des set-lists cet album alors que c'est son meilleur juste après Blizzard of Ozz.

Bon pour le Hellfest pour moi ça sera boycott, j'irais plutôt m'abrutir les tympans devant Sunn O))) par curiosité...

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Ouais en gros, on a droit à la même chose que l'année dernière avec Geezer et Wylde sur certains titres...
Je crois que je vais aller tester Sunn O))) aussi.

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c'est même pire que ça, c'est quasiment la copie conforme de celle du Hellfest de l'an dernier, qui était celle-ci :

I Don't Know
Suicide Solution
Mr. Crowley
War Pigs (Black Sabbath)
Bark at The Moon
Road to Nowhere
Shot in the Dark
Rat Salad (Black Sabbath)
Guitar & Drum solos
Iron Man (Black Sabbath)
Fairies Wear Boots (Black Sabbath)
I Don't Want to Change the World
Crazy Train
Mama, I'm Coming Home
Paranoid (Black Sabbath)


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Je suis pas si mécontent de louper le hellfest cette année finalement :roll:

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J'aime assez perso. Ce n'est pas un concert de Sab, c'est sûr, mais pour Ozzy, c'est une très bonne setlist, et ça fait plaisir de voir qu'il a été sobre pendant 40 minutes pour se rendre compte que Ultimate Sin est l'un de ses meilleurs albums.

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Pareil. Je comprends pas ce qu'on peut reprocher à cette setlist.
Rien que les 7 premiers morceaux sont des tueries. Commencer un concert comme ça, c'est le pied.

Et Ultimate Sin et un de mes albums préférés du madman également....


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